Did Justin speak up against aeg or am I mistaking him with someone else or talking shit entirely ???
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Random questions/ thoughts I have- mainly concerning playback and TII
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Dragón 1996
Baneado
If you asked me, i think the life of Michael go to the hell after the accident in Munich 99, after that he never would are the same.
More pain= More painkillers
Debs constatly increased
Problems With Sony
He only need a good hit and this was the trial, without Arvizo allegations i think Michael even could solve problems.
Also in TII era but he take medical senses to stupid, yes the AEG presure him and are guilty too, but they dont give him propofol or demerol to sleep.
Dragón 1996
Baneado
I remember he did this gig in the O2 Arena.
FMJP
HideOuter Senior
I agree, I think that AEG wouldn't want to admit they they recognized Michael was most definitely on drugs and struggling and didn't do anything about it. I feel like the type of documentary I suggested wouldn't work unless the MJ estate took all the rights to the footage. Another issue with my idea is, how much new stuff would they show; like the red jacket day that Randy Philips wanted cut, or the Dangerous rehearsal on June 23rd (which as mentioned a while back was apparently pretty rough for MJ), or hell, even the June 23rd Dirty Diana where he probably sang in Falsetto the entire time and maybe just walked back and forth. I think that that type of documentary would only happen if:
A) a big name director/ producer/ celebrity came to the MJ estate and proposed the idea
B) the MJ estate/$ony had all the rights to the footage
C) The film painted Michael in a light where he wasn't at fault for anything. Allow me to elaborate
- Michael himself played a role in his health decline, but thats how addicts/ drug dependents are, he spiraled himself down the rabbit hole.
- But the signs were obvious that Michael was unwell beginning in May (correct me if I'm wrong) and barely anything was done about it
- The documentary, if greenlit by the estate would most likely not be able to put any fault on Michael for anything that happened. Or if there was fault placed towards him, it would be for something justifiable (if that makes sense)
But ya, most definitely will never happen.
Dragón 1996
Baneado
Michael was well until June, he wa started to be tired at the end of May rehearsals.
Who tell you michael sangs dirty diana in falsette on the 23 june day??
Just saying guys, Im not ignoring the next two messages, I just really need to start dancing. I am extremely behind in time for my exercising which is not good for my mental health caused from my ed's.
But Ill answer the other two in about two hours
ANYWAYS, ONWARDS FOR RIGHT NOWWWWW
I don't think aeg pressured michael. They pressured conrad, IDK who you meant so thought id just say that in case.
Conrad knew michael was visiting other doctors but him being his stupid self didnt think to figure out what it was for especially knowing he was seeing the doc multiple times a week and has known prior drug use with morphine and demerol.
AEG tho pressured conrad to make michael perform with his resources.
Like I said, conrad stupidly trusted a known addicted telling him he was only taking what conrad was giving him. So conrad, from AEG basically making it his only option, started michael on the 1920s - 60s Hollywood star treatment.
Uppers through the day for energy, to keep him awake, etc and downers at the end of the work day. Even tho I wouldnt consider propofol in the same class as anything but it was what they used to use downers for.
Anyways, the point....
Conrad trusted michael and believed he only took what what conrad prescribed and knew about.
So in the last week or so of his life, either no one knew michael was on these drugs (Conrad) or They knew michael was using and had a massive problem. Just didnt know specifically what the drug was, the could easily guess tho (AEG).
As a result, Conrad was doing what he was told in the safest way he knew he could, But AEG knew about the serious drug problem but didnt care as long as he'd perform.
So even tho a lot is conrads fault as well as being mostly michaels, AEG were the ones who supported it and just chose to work around it with even more drugs rather than actually get himn the help he needed.
And yeah, I forgot to say, Conrad didnt want to believe michael was using anything else, him nor AEG knew hed stopped taking Morphine.
So all the plans that were put in place and pushed by AEG was them while still believing michael was still using this mysterious, but fairly obvious, drug so yeah....
Sorry, for my late response. I had a power cut and when it came back, ended up dancing for 2 and a half more hours than what I said tehe.
Anyway....
Basically everything you said is insanely accurate.
Only two errors were, I think you think red jacket day was a rehearsal. I'm pretty certain he didnt rehearse that day. Its the footage you see of michael before thriller starts where they're making and directing the vignette. So the footage did make it in but, comparing it to a lot of photos, he looked at least 25% more skinnier in them than the video so those two angles of michael in the movie were likely the ones that didnt make him seem TOO thin. The other thing is that those photos were also released by AEG and/Sony, So that means michael actually looked even skinnier than that if they chose to release them. So yeah, if red jacket was including in this hypothetical doc, it wouldn't be very much of it at all and probably just include extended scenes of what we saw of michael sitting and directing and basically the minimum amount of footage theyd need to show of that day to cover thriller. In terms of those 4 days he was at sony studios (where red jacket was), theyd probably focus on including a lot of the black shirt day, which he also went to rehearsals afterwards too cause we see him perform smooth criminal on the stage and yeah, clearly he obviously rehearsed that day so an even better excuse for them to skim over red jacket and just show off most black shirt.
Second error was when it became obvious michael we unwell. Michael only started using propofol every night, on april 22nd (yes, I just did math to get the exact date) and as we see in the TWYMMF band rehearsal type thing in the movie, which would've been mid-late may, michael was pretty healthy seeming and looking. Like he even looked a decent weight there, take note of his legs next time you watch it. Seemed a little out of it, but definitely not too messed up to be able to do the work, as we saw. It was between the 9th of june to the friday before his death that it became clear there was something extremely wrong with him health wise.
Im not going to talk about the quite extreme underweight in early june (red jacket) because, michael always wanted to be skinny. And his skinniness wasnt really an issue they seemed to need to be worried about especially cause michael had a 24 hr doctor who should of known if the weight was having too much of a negative effect on his body to where it was TOO dangerous. But yeah.
Those were literally just me nitpicking, I thought I might as well because from my experience this week, I feel you might actually appreciate the information that comes with the nitpicking sooooo.... HAHA
But yeah, literally your whole thought on this hypothetical doc is entirely correct and accurate to what would happen regarding it
I think he was just assuming or guessing that might've been what happened. It's one of those annoying ones where no ones going to know. Personally, I always imagined that rehearsal completely different to how he imagined it.
I believe it was just the band playing the instrumental, no playback, then kenny directing michael about how the bed will be and the concept of the whole performance in real time. Then michael just getting a feel for the new concept, getting more of a picture of what he'll want to do in the song etc etc, while also directing a bit himself.
Like I said tho. No ones gonna know
Dragón 1996
Baneado
He started to take propofol the day of my birthdaySorry, for my late response. I had a power cut and when it came back, ended up dancing for 2 and a half more hours than what I said tehe.
Anyway....
Basically everything you said is insanely accurate.
Only two errors were, I think you think red jacket day was a rehearsal. I'm pretty certain he didnt rehearse that day. Its the footage you see of michael before thriller starts where they're making and directing the vignette. So the footage did make it in but, comparing it to a lot of photos, he looked at least 25% more skinnier in them than the video so those two angles of michael in the movie were likely the ones that didnt make him seem TOO thin. The other thing is that those photos were also released by AEG and/Sony, So that means michael actually looked even skinnier than that if they chose to release them. So yeah, if red jacket was including in this hypothetical doc, it wouldn't be very much of it at all and probably just include extended scenes of what we saw of michael sitting and directing and basically the minimum amount of footage theyd need to show of that day to cover thriller. In terms of those 4 days he was at sony studios (where red jacket was), theyd probably focus on including a lot of the black shirt day, which he also went to rehearsals afterwards too cause we see him perform smooth criminal on the stage and yeah, clearly he obviously rehearsed that day so an even better excuse for them to skim over red jacket and just show off most black shirt.
Second error was when it became obvious michael we unwell. Michael only started using propofol every night, on april 22nd (yes, I just did math to get the exact date) and as we see in the TWYMMF band rehearsal type thing in the movie, which would've been mid-late may, michael was pretty healthy seeming and looking. Like he even looked a decent weight there, take note of his legs next time you watch it. Seemed a little out of it, but definitely not too messed up to be able to do the work, as we saw. It was between the 9th of june to the friday before his death that it became clear there was something extremely wrong with him health wise.
Im not going to talk about the quite extreme underweight in early june (red jacket) because, michael always wanted to be skinny. And his skinniness wasnt really an issue they seemed to need to be worried about especially cause michael had a 24 hr doctor who should of known if the weight was having too much of a negative effect on his body to where it was TOO dangerous. But yeah.
Those were literally just me nitpicking, I thought I might as well because from my experience this week, I feel you might actually appreciate the information that comes with the nitpicking sooooo.... HAHA
But yeah, literally your whole thought on this hypothetical doc is entirely correct and accurate to what would happen regarding it
Dragón 1996
Baneado
I remember a rehearsal of Dirty Diana where he sangs live on TII era.
FMJP
HideOuter Senior
Oops, I forgot the red jacket wasn't a rehearsal (duh-doy) but ya, I love all that nit-picky information, I'd love to create a document regarding all the TII facts that we know/ can assume so fans can get a semi-accurate idea of a) how the show was gonna be, and b) give them a real look into how the rehearsals actually went / Michael's decline. But I'd feel a little bad writing about all the intricacies of MJ's personal life given how privacy valuing he was, so maybe just write how the show was gonna be and the unknown facts of the show both production wise and what most fans may not know.Sorry, for my late response. I had a power cut and when it came back, ended up dancing for 2 and a half more hours than what I said tehe.
Anyway....
Basically everything you said is insanely accurate.
Only two errors were, I think you think red jacket day was a rehearsal. I'm pretty certain he didnt rehearse that day. Its the footage you see of michael before thriller starts where they're making and directing the vignette. So the footage did make it in but, comparing it to a lot of photos, he looked at least 25% more skinnier in them than the video so those two angles of michael in the movie were likely the ones that didnt make him seem TOO thin. The other thing is that those photos were also released by AEG and/Sony, So that means michael actually looked even skinnier than that if they chose to release them. So yeah, if red jacket was including in this hypothetical doc, it wouldn't be very much of it at all and probably just include extended scenes of what we saw of michael sitting and directing and basically the minimum amount of footage theyd need to show of that day to cover thriller. In terms of those 4 days he was at sony studios (where red jacket was), theyd probably focus on including a lot of the black shirt day, which he also went to rehearsals afterwards too cause we see him perform smooth criminal on the stage and yeah, clearly he obviously rehearsed that day so an even better excuse for them to skim over red jacket and just show off most black shirt.
Second error was when it became obvious michael we unwell. Michael only started using propofol every night, on april 22nd (yes, I just did math to get the exact date) and as we see in the TWYMMF band rehearsal type thing in the movie, which would've been mid-late may, michael was pretty healthy seeming and looking. Like he even looked a decent weight there, take note of his legs next time you watch it. Seemed a little out of it, but definitely not too messed up to be able to do the work, as we saw. It was between the 9th of june to the friday before his death that it became clear there was something extremely wrong with him health wise.
Im not going to talk about the quite extreme underweight in early june (red jacket) because, michael always wanted to be skinny. And his skinniness wasnt really an issue they seemed to need to be worried about especially cause michael had a 24 hr doctor who should of known if the weight was having too much of a negative effect on his body to where it was TOO dangerous. But yeah.
Those were literally just me nitpicking, I thought I might as well because from my experience this week, I feel you might actually appreciate the information that comes with the nitpicking sooooo.... HAHA
But yeah, literally your whole thought on this hypothetical doc is entirely correct and accurate to what would happen regarding it
Dragón 1996
Baneado
The rehearsal of TYWMMF is from Abril?Sorry, for my late response. I had a power cut and when it came back, ended up dancing for 2 and a half more hours than what I said tehe.
Anyway....
Basically everything you said is insanely accurate.
Only two errors were, I think you think red jacket day was a rehearsal. I'm pretty certain he didnt rehearse that day. Its the footage you see of michael before thriller starts where they're making and directing the vignette. So the footage did make it in but, comparing it to a lot of photos, he looked at least 25% more skinnier in them than the video so those two angles of michael in the movie were likely the ones that didnt make him seem TOO thin. The other thing is that those photos were also released by AEG and/Sony, So that means michael actually looked even skinnier than that if they chose to release them. So yeah, if red jacket was including in this hypothetical doc, it wouldn't be very much of it at all and probably just include extended scenes of what we saw of michael sitting and directing and basically the minimum amount of footage theyd need to show of that day to cover thriller. In terms of those 4 days he was at sony studios (where red jacket was), theyd probably focus on including a lot of the black shirt day, which he also went to rehearsals afterwards too cause we see him perform smooth criminal on the stage and yeah, clearly he obviously rehearsed that day so an even better excuse for them to skim over red jacket and just show off most black shirt.
Second error was when it became obvious michael we unwell. Michael only started using propofol every night, on april 22nd (yes, I just did math to get the exact date) and as we see in the TWYMMF band rehearsal type thing in the movie, which would've been mid-late may, michael was pretty healthy seeming and looking. Like he even looked a decent weight there, take note of his legs next time you watch it. Seemed a little out of it, but definitely not too messed up to be able to do the work, as we saw. It was between the 9th of june to the friday before his death that it became clear there was something extremely wrong with him health wise.
Im not going to talk about the quite extreme underweight in early june (red jacket) because, michael always wanted to be skinny. And his skinniness wasnt really an issue they seemed to need to be worried about especially cause michael had a 24 hr doctor who should of known if the weight was having too much of a negative effect on his body to where it was TOO dangerous. But yeah.
Those were literally just me nitpicking, I thought I might as well because from my experience this week, I feel you might actually appreciate the information that comes with the nitpicking sooooo.... HAHA
But yeah, literally your whole thought on this hypothetical doc is entirely correct and accurate to what would happen regarding it
To me is a early early rehearsal.
I would like see more from the footage of the days with golden pants and fedora, Michael looks Health and Energy, in ALL the movie we dont have a entery song rehearsed that day.
Was it??? I thought they moved to Burbank in may???
i do have a habit of getting the times prior to when they left Burbank confused and messed up but I was honestly under the impression that Burbank was may and prior to Burbank they were just in small studios, probably one studio for the dancers and one for the band. Cause it doesn’t look like it’s at Burbank in the footage we have from it (Michael literally just performing with the dancers, tdcau, and it’s a REALLY small place). But yeah, like I said, I really doubt myself because I can’t find much information about the Burbank days
Dragón 1996
Baneado
They moved to the Staples Center i guess.
They maybe film rehearsals before to go to Burbank, Michael always recorded his rehearsals and shows to see after the show, i dont think TII was to be a exception
I don’t understand anything in that response. Especially why staples was brought up.
my point just was twymmf was at Burbank and I was pretty sure that Burbank was may, not April. Rehearsals started in April but that was at the really small studios that i described.
And yes they did record rehearsals before Burbank, hence the footage of Michael performing tdcau in the small studios with the dancers in April
Dragón 1996
Baneado
I can't understand why rehearsal one month in a small studio, when you show will come on July and not a small show.
The dancers didn’t need a massive room the size of the stage (like Burbank) to just be learning the dances. Same with the band. That process of small studios and stuff is actually really normal and common
Dragón 1996
Baneado
Is not common when you are retarted in the rehearsals of a BIG show.
Come on they did start before to Abril, when he did the conference dont have band....
Probably because the nervious but come on mike...
But well in the Dangerous Era they rehearsed in May when the tour started at the end of June.
At least in the History era the rehearsals was before to the Royal Concert.
Yes, it’s even more common in a big show. They don’t train the dancers with they band there. The two groups have to rehearse seperate at the start. Think about it. The dancers will have to stop and start learning all the choreography. Which means the band has to already know and have the songs in a complete playable state.
it’s extreme common knowledge that the time they had to prepare for this is it was EXTREMELY shorter than all his other tours. So of course, using your example of dangerous, the rehearsals in may would be on the stage
go to 1:05
literally the dancers AUDITIONS were in April.
like bro, not trying to be disrespectful but you’re arguing this when you really don’t know much at all about the process