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Joe Jackson and Michael


My opinion about Joe Jackson and the relation with his kids.

I can not fully judge Joe Jackson behavior, and though his behavior with his kids can look to us non-conventional, I can not tell JJ how he should have behaved at that time with his kids, under those conditions when he raised them. JJ is MJ father and I do not think that MJ would have been happy to see and hear his fans continuously throwing the same things to his father's face.

I personally would not like hear others telling everyday to my father negative things because ppl know that me and my father had a personal relationship different from the one that others may have had, despite the relationship I had with my father may have left in me some emotional scars.
What I would want from ppl , would have been being understanding of how my youth (including the relationship I had with my father) affected me and the way I am and behave in life,today.

If I say that I love my father despite the pains I had in my youth and I state that I accepted and understood how and why my father behaved that way with me, despite I do not agree with his behaviors, but moreover I added saying that my love for him as grown with the years, and I see him changed, I would personally not like hear ppl saying that my father was bad and cruel...

Try to put yourself in MJ's brother's and sisters' shoe and also count how many times they defended their father from the words that fans and press have thrown toward their father....

JJ may have had his ways and his strong character toward his kids, probably caused by the poverty that he and his family was living in, living in a bad neighbor and with the worries of having his kids be negatively influenced by other kids ....to the point that when JJ witnessed the potentiality that all of his kids had, JJ saw that as the only way he had to give hope and a great life to all his family...sacrifices had to be made to achieve that, and some toll had to be paid for achieving it. They were all kids with incredible gifts , that were growing up as adults.

Do not forget that MJ was the way u know him, also because of his youth. If u would have cloned MJ and u would have kept MJ in your house, and grown him up using your conventional methods, u would never had the MJ that you now know and that u got to know over the years...The only and inimitable MJ, is the one that experienced the bad and the good parts of his life.
MJ "hating" on his father....Really ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbJLo15wAtU
 
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Actually I do not usually attack Joe Jackson but I can not approve what he did with his kids, he made them work so hard every day and even at nights, What kind of father does that?, a father that makes his kids work like that is selfish, some kind of things that Joe Jackson did to his children were not necessary and hurt Michael so much, that is why I will never justify the brutality of Joe Jackson.
 
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Actually I do not usually attack Joe Jackson but I can not approve what he did with his kids, he made them work so hard every day and even at nights, What kind of father does that?, a father that makes his kids work like that is selfish, some kind of things that Joe Jackson did to his children were not necessary and hurt Michael so much, that is why I will never justify the brutality of Joe Jackson.

And what if his children would have ended up in the corner of their home selling drugs instead ? that would have been better ?
Were u living in that time , with different costume, different culture, poor area ecc...?

We should have lived in their shoe and than we all could have come back to comment...
 
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1) I am 34 years old , and kids of my time were slapped by parent and that was normal and accepted. Relationship children-parents were informal

2) My mother's generations, kids were punished in schools by teachers , even using sticks. Relationship children-parents were more formal

3) My grandparents's generation: Relationship children-parents were VERY formal. Punishments were accepted in any form.

and the above is my culture.... Italian middle class family

Do u know how was the African American Culture of Joe Jackson Era in a black African American ghetto with ppl selling drugs in the corner of your street, having many children in your house to feed and being broke ?

How can we judge if we did NOT walk in someone else shoe !!

Why all the Jackson kids say that JJ was not really abusive apart MJ ?

We live life by our emotions. Every single one of us can amplify and/or dilute feelings/emotions...we are all different...with different personalities and feelings.

MJ told his relation with his father , to make understand the world why he was the way he was....he never used it to attack his father, trash him, or else....

What is the point to keep trashing JJ ? We know how he is. Some ppl accept him for how he is, some not.

Do his family accept him for how he is ?
Yes
Did MJ accepted him and understood him ?
Yes
Did MJ told us to hate on his father ?
No

So what is the point ?

Would u have had the MJ u know without JJ ?

No

Do u guys feel better attaching non stop JJ ?

Most probably yes , as I can see

Will MJ be better and do u think was feeling better knowing and hearing his fans attacking and commenting over his father all the time ?

I assume probably not... I would feel sad in MJ shoe, but that is me....I do not know about u, but I feel that this at 1 point should stop...the denigration of the Jackson family should stop. This denigration helps only the vulture around MJ and MJ's children and Mother..

What is the point ?


Do ppl know that when MJ was a kid the world was not as the world we live in 2013 ?
Streets were not as safe as they are now, rules were not as strict as now, things that were done back there were culturally accepted and now u would be in jail for doing them instead ?

How can u compare different eras, different cultures, different lives, different families, different settings.

Do ppl know that when MJ was a kid there was still Racial segregation in USA ?

Racial segregation in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I personally stay away on commenting on JJ behavior with his children. I leave it to them.It is their prv life. MY job, as human first, before than as a fan, would have been to comfort MJ and understand him, not to be mad at his father all my life, especially when MJ was not mad at him..

I would like to ask to fans that hate on JJ or commet harsh on JJ:

If u were next to MJ and MJ would have introduced u to his father, would you not have given JJ your hand and/or would u have told JJ something, despite seeing MJ at peace with his own father ?

I think that that would have been been out of touch and disrespectful to MJ himself....even if u later would take aside JJ and told him what you think about him and his ways with Michael...that would have been disrespectful to MJ prv life.

I personally would have took my time to comfort MJ in prv, if MJ would have wanted to talk to me about it....
I would have not take my time to tell JJ what I think was right and wrong about what he did and not did...
 
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mirar abajo

si este aún tienen un significado
 
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Este es un foro en español...This is an Spanish forum.

Yo personalmente se mantenga alejado al comentar sobre el comportamiento de JJ con sus hijos. Lo dejo a them.It es su vida prv. Mi trabajo, como primer ser humano, antes que como un ventilador, habría sido para consolar a MJ y comprenderlo, no estar enojado con su padre toda mi vida, sobre todo cuando MJ no estaba enojado con él ..

Me gustaría pedir a los fans que odian a JJ o commet duro con JJ:

Si u estaban al lado de MJ y MJ habría introducido u para su padre, ¿no le han dado la mano de JJ y / o le han dicho algo u JJ, a pesar de ver MJ en paz con su propio padre?

Creo que eso hubiera sido estado fuera de contacto y una falta de respeto a sí mismo MJ .... incluso si te tomaría más adelante a un lado y le dijo JJ lo que piensa de él y de sus maneras con Michael ... que habría sido una falta de respeto a MJ prv vida.

Yo personalmente habría tomé mi tiempo para comodidad MJ en prv, si MJ hubiera querido hablar conmigo al respecto ....
Yo no habría tomarme mi tiempo para decir lo que pienso JJ era bueno y lo malo de lo que hizo y no lo hizo ...
 
este hombre fue duro con MJ, a mi se me acongoja el corazón cuando veo entrevistas donde MJ habla acerca de como fue su educación y esos ojos tan tristes que se le ponen..
y para que no falte su toque se promociona, un documental de su vida.

Lo mejor el audio.
gracias xtar por la traducción.
 
I understand , we all have different feelings for Joe Jackson, and no one can tell us how our feelings should be toward him, but what I would like to tell to anyone is that, that is MJ's PRV life and it was MJ choice to forgive is father. We can be sad of JJ behaviours and we know how JJ act (with publicity and things), but really, we help the filth press to exploit MJ's relation with his father for increasing TV rating with our hate and hard feelings toward JJ.

With the feelings that we all have against JJ, would we organize a day for JJ same as MJ and his family was doing ?

"Joe Jackson Day" at Neverland - YouTube

No....

Why them (including MJ) can , and us can Not ?!

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Entiendo que todos tenemos diferentes sentimientos de Joe Jackson, y nadie nos puede decir cómo nuestros sentimientos deben estar hacia él, pero lo que me gustaría decirle a nadie es que, así es la vida de Michael Jackson PRV y que fue la elección de MJ para perdonar es el padre. Podemos estar triste de comportamientos JJ y sabemos cómo JJ acto (con la publicidad y las cosas), pero en realidad, ayudamos a la prensa basura para explotar relación de Michael Jackson con su padre para aumentar la clasificación de TV con nosotros odio y rencor hacia JJ.

Con los sentimientos que todos tenemos contra JJ, podríamos organizar un día de JJ igual que MJ y su familia estaba haciendo?

"Joe Jackson Day" at Neverland - YouTube

No. ...

¿Por qué ellos (incluyendo MJ) puede, y nosotros no podemos?!
 
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No solamente Joe da "asco" si no también Morgan, pareciera que ambos justificaran los golpes a niños indefensos.

El éxito no se consigue así, se consigue a base de trabajo duro pero no en niños y menos niños de 7, 8, 9 años de edad, perjudicando su sueño, sus horas de estudios en el colegio e INFANCIA, llevándolos a clubes nocturnos para adultos, cada etapa de la vida es importante y a Michael le costo muy caro saltarse esa etapa. Lo que hizo Joe Jackson fue explotar a sus hijos.

Tenemos a otros niños como Christina Aguilera o Britney Spears que estaban en la industria musical desde niñas, sin necesidad que las golpearan, ni irse a clubes nocturnos, ni ser explotadas y ahora son mujeres exitosas, otro caso Justin timberlake, ¿Me van a decir que a Justin también lo golpeaban y llevaban a clubes nocturnos?.

Tranquilamente Joe pudo trabajar con los chicos en horarios moderados, enseñándoles todo lo que sabía y poco a poco entrar a la industria musical, con paciencia, perseverancia y sin golpes. Lo que quiso Joe fue la fama rápidamente por $$ y hubiera seguido siendo un hombre violento viviera o no en un barrio peligroso (según el para elejar a los niños de las bandas), lo que ha tenido Joe es suerte de tener unos hijos tranquilos porque con tanto golpe algunos jóvenes prefieren estar en la calle.

Lo que Joe Jackson debería hacer es pedir disculpas y dejar de justificarse con excusas baratas porque acá en america latina las pandillas las conforman muchas veces chicos que han sido victima de abusos físicos, entre otros casos, ¿Así que de que estamos hablando?
¿Qué gracias a la brutalidad y problemas psicológicos de Joe Jackson los niños no terminaron en pandillas y en drogas?, por favor...

Es evidente que Try 78 está ciego porque no quiere ver.
 
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