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Re: Investigadores hoy En Neverland

Nuevamente coincidiendo con un lanzamiento discográfico y cuando ya pasaban demasiadas semanas sin noticias negativas en torno a Michael. Lo de siempre.

Espero que los abogados de MJ hayan sido lo suficientemente previsores como para decirle que elimine cualquier cosa que sea susceptible de ser utilizado como prueba y que hayan limpiado o destruido cualquier colchón sábana etc. en la que pueda encontrarse semen suyo, del niño o de cualquiera. Me imagino que será algo asi lo que están buscando, no creo que sean tan ingénuos como para pensar que un pederasta mantenga en su casa pruebas del tipo videos o fotos un año después de que le empapelen, y menos cuando el acusado es inocente. Y todo esto con mas razón cuando a Marc Schaffel ya le veíamos venir.

Que sus abogados estén presentes da un poco de tranqilidad, porque ahora hay dos teorías:
1ª: que tienen material para culparle y esto lo hacen para tocar las narices. No creo que sea probable que tengan pruebas que puedan parecer contundentes o MJ estaría en la cárcel.
2ª: que no tienen absoltamente nada concluyente y están desesperados buscando y provocándole mala prensa. Esto es lo mas posible, en cuyo caso los abogados deben estar atentos para que en el registro no se cuele alguna prueba falsa...

En cualquier caso yo ya me esperaba algo asi, o peor. Todavía hay tiempo de sobra para que salgan nuevas acusaciones y cosas rocambolescas.
 
Re: Investigadores hoy En Neverland

Hemos editado el título de este post para que no parezca que sigue siendo "hoy"

Segun el Sgt. Chris Pappas los investigadores entraron en Neverland a las 9 a.m. y se marcharon unas 8 horas y media después.
 
¿Y se ha sabido que se han llevado? ¿Qué tieien? ¿Qué han sacado en limpio? ¿Ha habido algún tipo de declaración de la parte acusada?
La verdades que... aparte de las telarañas de detras de la nevera de su cocina no se que se habrán podido llevar pero bueno...
 
Que sea lo que Dios quiera, y puedo sentir que Dios quiere que MICHAEL SEA INOCENTE.

¿Al final cuando va a ser el juicio? ¿Piensa Sneddon alargarlo aún mas?

saludotes!
 
¿Asi que el traidor es Schaffel?
Bueno, ahora se les volverá en contra toda la mierda que echaron sobre él y su "pasado de pornógrafo"
 
Hay un monton de articulos de prensa nuevos....

PERO como vereis.. nadie sabe nada y solo especulan! Se contradicen y se inventan "fuentes" y mentiras para vender.... por ahora no hay mucha informacion. Solo q han estado alli durante 8 horas....

Aqui los pongo... si alguien quiere ayudarme a traducir los mas importante....Gracias!



MJ JOINT RAIDED

By DAVID K. LI in Los Olivos, Calif. and MARSHA KRANES in New York

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/32464.htm

December 4, 2004 -- Santa Barbara sheriff's deputies armed with a search warrant yesterday raided Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch apparently in search of DNA evidence they believe will lock up their child-molestation case against the disgraced King of Pop.
The raid came just over a year after more than 60 investigators descended on the pop star's storybook spread and hauled off truckloads of his personal effects.

Jackson lawyer Brian Oxman said he believed the deputies yesterday were looking for DNA evidence that would link Jackson to the young cancer patient he is accused of sexually abusing during overnight visits in February and March 2003.

The moon-walking megastar is charged with seven counts of committing lewd acts on the boy, who was 12 at the time, and two counts of using alcohol to seduce him.

Oxman said investigators had found traces of DNA from three males other than Jackson in the star's Neverland bedroom — but none from his accuser.

Asked to explain the DNA that was found, Oxman said: "Kids crash where they crash. They play in his room, and that's where they crash."

Santa Barbara officials confirmed they had searched Jackson's estate, but would not reveal what they were seeking — or what they had seized.

A caravan of unmarked Santa Barbara County sheriff's department vans — with lead investigator Lt. Jeff Klapakis at the head of the procession — departed Neverland after the eight-hour search.

Sources close to the boy's family said the deputies were acting on information provided by videographer Marc Schaffel, an unindicted co-conspirator in the molestation case.

They said Schaffel is now cooperating with authorities.



Schaffel, a gay-porn filmmaker, last month filed suit against Jackson seeking $3 million in unpaid loans and producing fees.

One of the fees owed him, Schaffel claims, is for producing a TV show to rebut the "shockumentary" by British reporter Martin Bashir, which showed the pop icon holding hands with a young boy he admitted had slept in his bed.

As part of the Jackson investigation, deputies searched Schaffel's home last year and removed computers and videotapes, photos and documents relating to the singer.


Jackson, free on $3 million bail, was leaving his 2,600-acre ranch when the deputies arrived at 9 a.m.

Oxman said the star is staying elsewhere in California.

Asked how Jackson, 46, reacted to the raid, Oxman said, "He's strong. He feels OK."


Jackson's trial is scheduled to begin Jan. 31. If convicted, he faces up to 20 years in prison.

(no me creo nada q Oxman haya hablado con la prensa sabiendo lo de la gag order.. pero en fin.. q inventen... q de eso viven)




Sheriff's deputies and prosecutors search Jackson's home again
By Quintin Cushner/Staff Writer


http://www.santamariatimes.com/articles/20...ocal/news01.txt

Just weeks before Michael Jackson's scheduled trial on child-molestation charges, his Neverland Ranch in the Santa Ynez Valley was raided Friday - for the second time in the current case - by Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies and prosecutors.

Officials would not explain their reasons for the day-long search of the entertainer's sprawling ranch. Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Chris Pappas issued only a terse statement:


An unmarked Santa Barbara County sheriff's car drives down the main road Friday at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Los Olivos during the execution of a search warrant at the ranch.

"At around 9 a.m., sheriff's investigators served a search warrant at the Neverland Ranch, located at 5225 Figueroa Mountain Road in Los Olivos, as part of an ongoing criminal investigation."

Attorneys for Jackson did not return calls seeking comment.

A gag ordered prohibits either side in the case from speaking publicly.

The singer was at home with his children when the warrant was served, according to Jim Thomas, former Santa Barbara County sheriff, who is following the case closely. Jackson remained in a guest cottage on the property throughout the day, Thomas said.

Law enforcement last swarmed Neverland more than a year ago.

Jackson, 46, is scheduled to go on trial Jan. 31, and prosecutors were supposed to have shared all discovery evidence with the defense by Monday.

Local defense attorney Steve Balash, who is not involved in the case, said that whatever new evidence authorities were seeking must have been compelling for a judge to sign off on a search warrant at this late date.

"The search warrant can only be issued if the judge finds that there's evidence present at this time and place which constitutes a felony," Balash said. "When you're authorizing officers to essentially take control of someone's home, that's serious."

The late search could result in the defense seeking a postponement of the trial, Balash said.

Several media reports indicated that officials were on the property to collect a DNA sample from Jackson, but Balash was skeptical of those accounts.

"You don't need a search warrant for (DNA collection)," he said. "All you do is call the defense lawyer. If the defense refuses, you can get an order from a judge."

Jason Karpf, who works for a public relations company working with the Santa Barbara County District Attorney's office, would only say the search was "authorized by a judge."

Jackson has pleaded not guilty to engaging in lewd acts with an unnamed boy on four occasions in 2003 and four counts of "administering an intoxicating agent" to help him with the alleged molestations. He also has pleaded not guilty to a conspiracy charge involving child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion and a count of attempted child molestation.

Defense lawyers have claimed the accuser's family made the allegations as part of a "shakedown" to win a financial award from the singer. In 1993, Jackson paid more than $20 million to a boy who made similar accusations against him.

Deputies searched the 2,700-acre property for more than eight hours Friday. Journalists lined the fence outside Neverland, but much of the search was likely focused on a complex of buildings that can't be seen from the road.

Along with a large main residence and several outbuildings, Neverland Ranch has a zoo and amusement park. Deputies stood guard near a gatehouse on the property as media helicopters hovered above looking for a better view.

Motorists slowed their cars as they passed the home, which is set amid rolling green hills in the Santa Ynez Valley. Local resident and musician David Crosby was among those spotted taking a look from his sports car as he passed by.

Neverland was last searched Nov. 18, 2003, when more than 60 law enforcement officers swarmed the property. Two days later, the singer was booked on suspicion of child molestation.

Prosecutors first filed child-molestation charges against the singer Dec. 18, 2003. They later convened a grand jury, which indicted Jackson on expanded charges, including the alleged conspiracy.

* Staff writer Quintin Cushner can be reached at 739-2217 or

by e-mail at qcushner@pulitzer.net.

Dec. 4, 2004



MJ digs again scoured by cops

http://www.nydailynews.com/12-04-2004/fron...7p-221653c.html

LOS ANGELES - Cops raided Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch again yesterday to search for more evidence in the child molestation case against him.
But investigators wouldn't say what they were looking for or seized in the day-long raid.

The search warrant records are sealed, and all parties in the case are under a gag order.

"We will only confirm that a judge issued a search warrant and that sheriff's deputies are conducting a search," said Jason Karpf, a spokesman for Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon.

At a court hearing last month, Jackson's lawyer Tom Mesereau dropped a bombshell when he revealed prosecutors "can't find the alleged victim's DNA in Mr. Jackson's room."

That key evidence - which might show the boy engaged in sexual activity in Jackson's room - has not turned up despite a year's worth of forensic testing on the pop star's mattress, bedding and other evidence seized in the first raid of Neverland on Nov. 18, 2003.

Karpf would not confirm source reports that the accuser's mother has revealed "new information" in the case nearly two years after the alleged molestation occurred.

Jackson, 46, was not home yesterday when dozens of Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies showed up at his 2,700-acre ranch at 9 a.m. and began combing for clues.

Mesereau raced more than 150 miles from Los Angeles to the Los Olivos ranch to monitor the search, sources said. He could not be reached for comment.

The search came just three days before a key deadline in the criminal case when both sides are supposed to turn over all evidence, reports and witness statements they plan to use at trial, scheduled to begin Jan 31.

Jackson is charged with molesting a cancer patient, who was then 13, and conspiring to hold the boy and his family hostage at Neverland in early 2003. He has pleaded not guilty.

Jackson's family was furious about yesterday's raid. "Michael's parents are extremely upset. They consider this eleventh-hour search part of the district attorney's continued harassment of Michael," said lawyer Debra Opri.

In the past year, cops have executed at least 100 search warrants in the case and recently raided the home of Jackson's personal secretary Evi Tavasci.

Originally published on December 4, 2004



Sheriffs Search Jackson Estate

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0412/03b.html

December 3, 2004
The raid conducted by sheriffs on embattled pop star Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch Friday morning remains shrouded in secrecy, but "Celebrity Justice" has learned information about what the authorities may have been after.

"CJ" has been told that Michael Jackson was present at the beginning of the raid but left. There are news reports that authorities took a swab of Jackson's mouth to gather some kind of DNA evidence, though Jackson's people deny it.

There are also reports that authorities were there to take the mattress, part of which was seized a year ago, when a small portion was actually cut from it. "CJ" was told that Michael Jackson and his people saved that mattress, as they did all of the evidence for the trial, so it is possible the mattress was in fact seized today.

The timing is critical in this raid, because Monday is a deadline for prosecutors in the case to turn over all of their evidence to the defense -- any they don't may not be admissible in the trial. For this reason, the raid may have been a last-ditch effort by authorities to get whatever evidence they could because, "CJ's" been told, so far there is no "smoking DNA gun" against Michael Jackson.
 
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No sé si deliro, pero de nuevo se produce acompañando a la salida de un disco, como ya pasó con el primer registro. :confused: :sacabo:
 
Gracias a todos por la informacion que habeis dado y por la aclaracion Bizi. Ahora que ya se quien es Shaffel no me extrañaria que haya sido el porque si lleva intentando sacar dinero a Michael, se mete en el caso, lo hace por llamar la atencion, vengarse contra Michael de la peor forma que pueden, y si tanto buscan ahora debe ser porque no tienen nada, y seguiran sin tener nada porque Michael es Inocente, entonces hacen un Registro la prensa hace eco de ello y la gente que no esta informada piensa lo peor, lo unico que ganan con esto yo creo que es la opinion publica de la gente, me parece que lo que hacen es ya como habeis dicho por desesperacion. Entonces si encima la acusacion le ofrece un trato a Michael asi porque lo hacen? No queria que fuese encarcelado? Saben que no tienen nada y que esa es la ultma opcion que podrian utilizar para quedar bien, pero dudo muchisimo que Michael y todo su equipo acepte eso, es mi opinion. bueno haber si se dice algo mas. Animo gente y Michael ve a por todas.
¡¡¡¡Saludos!!!!
 
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Dimond está otra vez divirtiendose con el caso ya que vuelve la carnaza.

Por lo que cuentan en el programa de Dimond han estado dibujando un plano de la habitación de MJ, 'la habitación secreta', la escalera, etc... La razón del registro es porque segun ella, el hermano ha descrito cosas que vió en esa habitación U_U

También dice que Mez llegó hora y media despues de la policía y que Michael todavía estaba allí. Los investigadores llevaban una orden para tomar una muestra de ADN de la saliva de Michael pero que Mez y él se negaron. Segun Dimond MJ tenía hasta las 9:30 am de hoy para entregar la muestra o se discutiría en el juzgado.

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Michael hace bien en guardarse toda su saliva para el juicio. Seguro que le daría una buena muestra de ADN a Sneddon si pudiera...
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Como veis los articulos solo son especulaciones.... creo q ni vale la pena traducirlos...

Hay teorias para todos los gustos...

Q si fueron a neverland para buscar el colchon de la defensa tenia alli guardado... q si fue pq Schafel abrio la boca.. la madre les dio nueva informacion.... q solo querian sacar fotos y el ADN de mj (ni q hiciera falta un registro por todo lo alto para eso)

Q mj si estaba.. q no estaba.. q estaba saliendo en el momento q la poli entro...

BAh.. no tienen ni idea... esperemos a algo oficial

Por lo menos la mayoria estan de acuerdo en q el registro pobablemente significa q la fiscalia no tiene NADA y estan desesperados!! Hijos de piiiiiiiii
 
Xtarlight y Mpenziwe dijo:
Dimond está otra vez divirtiendose con el caso ya que vuelve la carnaza.

Por lo que cuentan en el programa de Dimond han estado dibujando un plano de la habitación de MJ, 'la habitación secreta', la escalera, etc... La razón del registro es porque segun ella, el hermano ha descrito cosas que vió en esa habitación U_U

También dice que Mez llegó hora y media despues de la policía y que Michael todavía estaba allí. Los investigadores llevaban una orden para tomar una muestra de ADN de la saliva de Michael pero que Mez y él se negaron. Segun Dimond MJ tenía hasta las 9:30 am de hoy para entregar la muestra o se discutiría en el juzgado.
Perdona pero NO me creo nada de nada de lo q diga esta pedazo de piiiii (supongo q hay niños en el foro, no??) Ya se demostro q mentia antes.. asiq no nos vayamos a creer sus mentiras ahora....

Esta claro de donde le viene la informacion... y desde luego no es el mejor angulo!! :p Ella solo es un muñeco de feria de la fiscalia... asiq no hagamos caso q ya sabemos q estos mienten mas q hablan!
 
Dos días sin entrar en el foro y me encuentro esto...

Van a por ti Michael, pero después nosotros iremos a por ellos. Esto es la guerra.

Si quieren injusticia, juguemos con injusticia. ¿Alguien tiene por ahí un Kalashnikov y un pasamontañas de sobra? :D
 
Xtarlight y Mpenziwe dijo:
Segun Dimond MJ tenía hasta las 9:30 am de hoy para entregar la muestra o se discutiría en el juzgado.
Que lo discutan en el juzgado! pero que %&#¿ se han creido! Entran en Neverland como Pedro por casa y ahora quieren que Michael les des una prueba de saliva!... Que se vayan al peo!!!!

Cuando acabara todo esto. :mustio: :dc:
 
Este registro es absurdo. ¿alguien puede pensar que si te acusan de un delito y registran tu casa, un año después vas a seguir teniendo ahí pruebas que te incriminen?. Vamos hombre, eso no se lo cree nadie. Y eso del ADN también es absurdo, porque con pedir una orden y extraerle un poco de sangre o saliva ya está. No hace falta hacer un registro de nosecuantas horas.
Y si no es por ADN, sino por nueva información. ¿Que tipo de información podría justificar este registro?. ¿Que el niño se ha acordado de algo que había en la habitación?. Pero vamos, si nadie niega que ese niño estuvo en la casa, por supuesto que sabe como es, pero de ahi ha que haya sido abusado va a un trecho.
Para mi está claro que lo que quieren es desviar la atención de las noticias sobre la madre que han salido ultimamente o retrasar el juicio diciendo que ahora tienen más pruebas que tienen que estudiar y no les da tiempo.
En mi opinión, lo que buscan es que haya tal juicio paralelo en la calle, que ningún jurado por muchas pruebas a favor que presente MJ le pueda declarar inocente.
 
Si yo fuera michael les escupiria en la cara para que se llevaran una hermosa muestra de saliva jeje......pero de que sirve como prueba una muestra de saliva de michael o sea si revisan una cama es posible que encuentren un minimo pero eso no explica que te hayas acostado con un menor....estos hijos de su santa madre no saben mas que hacer, FUERZA MIKE!!!!!!
 
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Sheriffs Search Jackson Estate
December 3, 2004


The raid conducted by sheriffs on embattled pop star Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch Friday morning remains shrouded in secrecy, but "Celebrity Justice" has learned information about what the authorities may have been after.

"CJ" has been told that Michael Jackson was present at the beginning of the raid but left. There are news reports that authorities took a swab of Jackson's mouth to gather some kind of DNA evidence, though Jackson's people deny it.

There are also reports that authorities were there to take the mattress, part of which was seized a year ago, when a small portion was actually cut from it. "CJ" was told that Michael Jackson and his people saved that mattress, as they did all of the evidence for the trial, so it is possible the mattress was in fact seized today.

The timing is critical in this raid, because Monday is a deadline for prosecutors in the case to turn over all of their evidence to the defense -- any they don't may not be admissible in the trial. For this reason, the raid may have been a last-ditch effort by authorities to get whatever evidence they could because, "CJ's" been told, so far there is no "smoking DNA gun" against Michael Jackson.
 
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