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New details about 1993 Jackson case
Alleged witnesses speak for first time, settlement claim from second boy
By Josh Mankiewicz
Dateline NBC
Updated: 7:54 p.m. ET Sept. 3, 2004
Caretaker speaks out for the first time
Norma Salinas worked for the boy's father and step-mother, cleaning house and caring for their two younger children in their comfortable Brentwood home. She says she was surprised when the boy came to live with his father because the teenager was rarely more than a weekend visitor who spent his time alone. The father usually too preoccupied with work, until that weekend.
Norma Salinas: "Much later I started to understand everything. At first, they didn't want this boy in the house and later when the relationship started with Michael, the boy came here to live. From then on there were strange things going on in this house."
The story about what happened that weekend changes, depending upon who's telling it. Jackson says it was the beginning of a plot to extort money from him. The boy's father wrote in a letter to his lawyers that he was simply trying to protect his son, re-establish a relationship that had been damaged by his son's involvement with Michael Jackson, and get to the bottom of what was really going on between a 13-year-old boy, and a 35-year-old man.
Salinas: "It was a big impression on me because the father brought him home for an entire weekend. I was very surprised because he is a big star and to arrive like that without bodyguards without anything I was a bit astonished."
The boy introduced Jackson to Salinas as his best friend. A moment both thrilling, says Salinas, and disturbing.
Salinas: "They were hugging, laughing. They looked very happy, like a couple."
She says the boy's father and step-mother acted as though there was nothing unusual about the visit, except when they instructed Salinas to keep the drapes pulled shut the entire weekend while Jackson was visiting.
Salinas: "The boy's step-mother told me to pull out the trundle bed that goes next to the boy's bed because that's where Mr. Michael was going to sleep."
It was in this spartan room, a room without a TV set Salinas says, that Michael Jackson and the 13-year-old boy spent virtually an entire weekend -- all with the father's full knowledge and consent.
Salinas: "I entered the room the next day to do the housekeeping as I always do. I noticed that no one slept on the bed because there were no signs of anybody having slept there… I suspect that he slept on the bed because there was no other bed."
An undocumented worker who doesn't speak English, Salinas says she never went to police. She admits she didn't always get along with the father, whom she holds partly responsible for what happened.
Salinas: "In few words, you can say that he sold his son to Michael… They should both be in jail together. Michael, for what he did to the boy and the boy's father for what he did to his son."
Ernie Rizzo says the father used that weekend as a sort of fact-finding mission.
Mankiewicz: "Was there any surreptitious recording done of Michael Jackson and the boy during the time that Jackson was at that house?"
Ernie Rizzo: "Well yeah. Let me say this, the father had related some conversations to me. There were things that I don't think anybody could have heard through that bedroom door. My gut feeling would have been that there may have been a tape recorder in that bedroom."
Rizzo says the father knew he would need powerful evidence, like an audio tape, before he could take on the extremely powerful Jackson.
Rizzo: "It takes a lot of guts to accuse Michael Jackson of molesting. I think before he made his move he wanted to make sure, and I think he made sure."
Mankiewicz: "Even though that would mean exposing his child to someone who he suspected might be molesting him?"
Rizzo: "I mean, I wouldn't do it."
Salinas also suspects that the boy's father rigged the room with a recording device, but she has no evidence of that either. But she says after that Memorial Day visit, everything changed.
Salinas: "After that weekend, the boy's father stopped going to work."
Salinas says that from then on, to say that Jackson was unwelcome in the home would be an understatement.
Salinas: "Michael's name was never mentioned again in the house. That name was prohibited in the house."
The father has refused to talk to Dateline. He did tell a family member that although he told both his son and to others that he'd secretly recorded his boy and Jackson together, he was in fact bluffing, hoping to get his son to confirm or deny his suspicions. And the family member also quotes the father as saying he wishes he had acted on those suspicions much sooner.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5906855
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http://forums.mjeol.com/showthread.php?t=990
The judge in the Michael Jackson case has refused the King of Pop's request to lower his $3 million bail, citing the singer's abundant wealth and noting that if he were to lessen the amount, perhaps the incentive would not be there for Michael to show up at his Jan. 31 trial date.
However, now there is other big news breaking about Michael and accusers from his past, as a former Sheriff's official and private eye come forward to reveal information about the first time Jackson faced allegations reagrding his behavior with children.
Jim Thomas, a former Santa Barbara County Sheriff and current NBC News analyst, said there was not one, but two accusers from 1993.
"Of everyone that was talked to, two said 'yes,'" Thomas told Dateline, in an episode that airs Friday. "We always believed there were eight to 10 other children out there."
But when questioning other suspected victims, the Sheriff's department found nothing but dead end after dead end, according to Thomas.
"Many of them had said that they spent time with Michael Jackson. [They said] they spent time in his bedroom but nothing had happened," the former Sheriff explained. "Some wouldn't talk to us at all."
The Dateline report is also claiming that Jackson paid $2 million in "hush money" to this alleged second accuser.
When accusations surfaced back in '93, the public only knew of one accuser and Michael maintained his innocence.
However, Norma Salinas has her doubts.
Salinas, an undocumented worker who claims to have worked for the original accuser's father, recalled one particular weekend involving the pop megastar.
"It was a big impression on me because the boy's father brought him home for an entire weekend," Salinas said. "I was very surprised because he was a big star and to arrive like that without body guards, without anything, I was a bit astonished."
But then, Salinas said the weekend turned a bit awkward, as far as she was concerned.
"They were hugging, laughing, they looked very happy -- like a couple," she recalled.
Catch the entire interview when Dateline airs Friday, Sept. 3 at 9 p.m. on NBC.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/ente...218/detail.html
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28 de Noviembre de 2004
Testigo clave del juicio contra el Rey del Pop es Norma Salinas, una mujer mexicana que trabajaba como asesora del hogar en la casa de los Chandler.
Jordy Chandler fue el primer niño que acusó a Michael Jackson de abuso sexual. Jackson continuamente aparecía en la casa de Jordy. Él llegaba sólo con su chofer y se preocupaba personalmente de las cosas que pertenecían al niño. “Nunca se despegaban. Siempre estaban en la misma recamara. En la mesa estaban abrazados, muy cariñosos. Él quería atender a Jordy a cuerpo rey. Siento que eran más que amigos. Era mucha intimidad. Le lavaba la ropa, como que no quería que supiera algo. No quería dejar huellas”, señaló Norma.
Luego, Salinas cuenta sobre la ambición del padre de Jordy, Evan Chandler, quien llevó varias veces en su vehículo a Michael a su casa. Este hombre quería dedicarse a hacer películas de cine, pero no tenía habilidades en el rubro. Jackson le otorgó el dinero para una de ellas y como no dio resultado se retiró. Esto ocasionó el enojo de Evan y demandó al Rey del pop por abuso sexual a su hijo. Este juicio terminó con un arreglo de dos millones de dólares fueron dados a los padres de Jordy y 20 millones de dólares para el niño.
Norma señaló la despreocupación y falta de cariño que rodeaba a este adolescente por parte de su padre y su madrastra. “Nadie lo tomaba en cuenta. Para su madrastra, Jordy era un mueble más en la casa”, dijo la mexicana.
La mujer está amenazada de muerte por Evan, para que no hable con la justicia sobre los abusos sexuales que sufrió su hijo.
http://www.tvn.cl/programas/depeapa/2003/detalle.asp?id=332
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New details about 1993 Jackson case
Alleged witnesses speak for first time, settlement claim from second boy
By Josh Mankiewicz
Dateline NBC
Updated: 7:54 p.m. ET Sept. 3, 2004
Caretaker speaks out for the first time
Norma Salinas worked for the boy's father and step-mother, cleaning house and caring for their two younger children in their comfortable Brentwood home. She says she was surprised when the boy came to live with his father because the teenager was rarely more than a weekend visitor who spent his time alone. The father usually too preoccupied with work, until that weekend.
Norma Salinas: "Much later I started to understand everything. At first, they didn't want this boy in the house and later when the relationship started with Michael, the boy came here to live. From then on there were strange things going on in this house."
The story about what happened that weekend changes, depending upon who's telling it. Jackson says it was the beginning of a plot to extort money from him. The boy's father wrote in a letter to his lawyers that he was simply trying to protect his son, re-establish a relationship that had been damaged by his son's involvement with Michael Jackson, and get to the bottom of what was really going on between a 13-year-old boy, and a 35-year-old man.
Salinas: "It was a big impression on me because the father brought him home for an entire weekend. I was very surprised because he is a big star and to arrive like that without bodyguards without anything I was a bit astonished."
The boy introduced Jackson to Salinas as his best friend. A moment both thrilling, says Salinas, and disturbing.
Salinas: "They were hugging, laughing. They looked very happy, like a couple."
She says the boy's father and step-mother acted as though there was nothing unusual about the visit, except when they instructed Salinas to keep the drapes pulled shut the entire weekend while Jackson was visiting.
Salinas: "The boy's step-mother told me to pull out the trundle bed that goes next to the boy's bed because that's where Mr. Michael was going to sleep."
It was in this spartan room, a room without a TV set Salinas says, that Michael Jackson and the 13-year-old boy spent virtually an entire weekend -- all with the father's full knowledge and consent.
Salinas: "I entered the room the next day to do the housekeeping as I always do. I noticed that no one slept on the bed because there were no signs of anybody having slept there… I suspect that he slept on the bed because there was no other bed."
An undocumented worker who doesn't speak English, Salinas says she never went to police. She admits she didn't always get along with the father, whom she holds partly responsible for what happened.
Salinas: "In few words, you can say that he sold his son to Michael… They should both be in jail together. Michael, for what he did to the boy and the boy's father for what he did to his son."
Ernie Rizzo says the father used that weekend as a sort of fact-finding mission.
Mankiewicz: "Was there any surreptitious recording done of Michael Jackson and the boy during the time that Jackson was at that house?"
Ernie Rizzo: "Well yeah. Let me say this, the father had related some conversations to me. There were things that I don't think anybody could have heard through that bedroom door. My gut feeling would have been that there may have been a tape recorder in that bedroom."
Rizzo says the father knew he would need powerful evidence, like an audio tape, before he could take on the extremely powerful Jackson.
Rizzo: "It takes a lot of guts to accuse Michael Jackson of molesting. I think before he made his move he wanted to make sure, and I think he made sure."
Mankiewicz: "Even though that would mean exposing his child to someone who he suspected might be molesting him?"
Rizzo: "I mean, I wouldn't do it."
Salinas also suspects that the boy's father rigged the room with a recording device, but she has no evidence of that either. But she says after that Memorial Day visit, everything changed.
Salinas: "After that weekend, the boy's father stopped going to work."
Salinas says that from then on, to say that Jackson was unwelcome in the home would be an understatement.
Salinas: "Michael's name was never mentioned again in the house. That name was prohibited in the house."
The father has refused to talk to Dateline. He did tell a family member that although he told both his son and to others that he'd secretly recorded his boy and Jackson together, he was in fact bluffing, hoping to get his son to confirm or deny his suspicions. And the family member also quotes the father as saying he wishes he had acted on those suspicions much sooner.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5906855
________________________________________________
http://forums.mjeol.com/showthread.php?t=990
The judge in the Michael Jackson case has refused the King of Pop's request to lower his $3 million bail, citing the singer's abundant wealth and noting that if he were to lessen the amount, perhaps the incentive would not be there for Michael to show up at his Jan. 31 trial date.
However, now there is other big news breaking about Michael and accusers from his past, as a former Sheriff's official and private eye come forward to reveal information about the first time Jackson faced allegations reagrding his behavior with children.
Jim Thomas, a former Santa Barbara County Sheriff and current NBC News analyst, said there was not one, but two accusers from 1993.
"Of everyone that was talked to, two said 'yes,'" Thomas told Dateline, in an episode that airs Friday. "We always believed there were eight to 10 other children out there."
But when questioning other suspected victims, the Sheriff's department found nothing but dead end after dead end, according to Thomas.
"Many of them had said that they spent time with Michael Jackson. [They said] they spent time in his bedroom but nothing had happened," the former Sheriff explained. "Some wouldn't talk to us at all."
The Dateline report is also claiming that Jackson paid $2 million in "hush money" to this alleged second accuser.
When accusations surfaced back in '93, the public only knew of one accuser and Michael maintained his innocence.
However, Norma Salinas has her doubts.
Salinas, an undocumented worker who claims to have worked for the original accuser's father, recalled one particular weekend involving the pop megastar.
"It was a big impression on me because the boy's father brought him home for an entire weekend," Salinas said. "I was very surprised because he was a big star and to arrive like that without body guards, without anything, I was a bit astonished."
But then, Salinas said the weekend turned a bit awkward, as far as she was concerned.
"They were hugging, laughing, they looked very happy -- like a couple," she recalled.
Catch the entire interview when Dateline airs Friday, Sept. 3 at 9 p.m. on NBC.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/ente...218/detail.html
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28 de Noviembre de 2004
Testigo clave del juicio contra el Rey del Pop es Norma Salinas, una mujer mexicana que trabajaba como asesora del hogar en la casa de los Chandler.
Jordy Chandler fue el primer niño que acusó a Michael Jackson de abuso sexual. Jackson continuamente aparecía en la casa de Jordy. Él llegaba sólo con su chofer y se preocupaba personalmente de las cosas que pertenecían al niño. “Nunca se despegaban. Siempre estaban en la misma recamara. En la mesa estaban abrazados, muy cariñosos. Él quería atender a Jordy a cuerpo rey. Siento que eran más que amigos. Era mucha intimidad. Le lavaba la ropa, como que no quería que supiera algo. No quería dejar huellas”, señaló Norma.
Luego, Salinas cuenta sobre la ambición del padre de Jordy, Evan Chandler, quien llevó varias veces en su vehículo a Michael a su casa. Este hombre quería dedicarse a hacer películas de cine, pero no tenía habilidades en el rubro. Jackson le otorgó el dinero para una de ellas y como no dio resultado se retiró. Esto ocasionó el enojo de Evan y demandó al Rey del pop por abuso sexual a su hijo. Este juicio terminó con un arreglo de dos millones de dólares fueron dados a los padres de Jordy y 20 millones de dólares para el niño.
Norma señaló la despreocupación y falta de cariño que rodeaba a este adolescente por parte de su padre y su madrastra. “Nadie lo tomaba en cuenta. Para su madrastra, Jordy era un mueble más en la casa”, dijo la mexicana.
La mujer está amenazada de muerte por Evan, para que no hable con la justicia sobre los abusos sexuales que sufrió su hijo.
http://www.tvn.cl/programas/depeapa/2003/detalle.asp?id=332
