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Oigan por cierto quiero dejar en claro que jamas permitire que a kapital se le amoneste y menos traten de banearlo provocandolo, el ya no va a responder a ninguna provocacion si no yo. PREFIERO MI BANEO a que le sigan provocando

Gracias a el todo se sabra, todo.

Yo estare contigo hasta el final

EL QUE DEJE ESTE TEMA SERIA LO PEOR QUE LE PUEDA PASAR A MICHAEL. HE DICHO.
 
Harrydh...gracias por tus aportes...Te dejo algo por lo que tú preguntabas...


*Behind the mask (éste era un tema original de la Yellow Magic Orchestra de Ryuichi Sakamoto al que Michael Jackson puso letra en su día)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcsodLz5fg&feature=related

more images

Ryuichi Sakamoto - Behind The Mask

Label:
Midi Inc.
Catalog#:
MDCZ-1130
Format:
CD, Mini-Album

Country:
Japan
Released:
1987
Genre:
Electronic
Style:
Electro, Synth-pop



Tracklist

1 Behind The Mask 5:29 Lyrics By - Michael Jackson
Music By - Ryuichi Sakamoto 2 Risky 6:22 Lyrics By - Iggy Pop
Music By - Bill Laswell , Iggy Pop , Ryuichi Sakamoto 3 Field Work 5:07 Lyrics By - Ryuichi Sakamoto , Thomas Dolby
Music By - Ryuichi Sakamoto , Thomas Dolby


* Se dice (S$ny)que un tal James Porte cantó parte de la canción 'Breaking News"...¿¿¿-???
 
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Anneke dijo:
Harrydh...gracias por tus aportes...Te dejo algo por lo que tú preguntabas...


*Behind the mask (éste era un tema original de la Yellow Magic Orchestra de Ryuichi Sakamoto al que Michael Jackson puso letra en su día)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcsodLz5fg&feature=related

more images

Ryuichi Sakamoto - Behind The Mask

Label:
Midi Inc.
Catalog#:
MDCZ-1130
Format:
CD, Mini-Album

Country:
Japan
Released:
1987
Genre:
Electronic
Style:
Electro, Synth-pop



Tracklist

1 Behind The Mask 5:29 Lyrics By - Michael Jackson
Music By - Ryuichi Sakamoto 2 Risky 6:22 Lyrics By - Iggy Pop
Music By - Bill Laswell , Iggy Pop , Ryuichi Sakamoto 3 Field Work 5:07 Lyrics By - Ryuichi Sakamoto , Thomas Dolby
Music By - Ryuichi Sakamoto , Thomas Dolby


* Se dice (S$ny)que un tal James Porte cantó parte de la canción 'Breaking News"...¿¿¿-???
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se agradece esa info, no tenia idea de los clips alternos :)

A todo esto, yo creo que deben de tener una base de datos directos de "Epic, Sony" etc etc, porque en esta foto sale de un tema como xcape que era de un tal disco "Return" 2007 y otras pistas tambien, les dejo el antes y despues con sus temas extras de rara etiquetacion de contenidos, digo yo los contenidos de estos etiquetados seran correcto o semi precisos, realmente no lo se ojala alguien me dejara mas en claro si es asi...

xcape1.jpg


xcape2.jpg


happy1zy.jpg


happy2o.jpg


happy3d.jpg



pd1: ciento si molesto a alguien con el tamaño de la resolu de mi monitor. :|

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pd2 medio offtopic: ya estaba este clip puesto en alguna nota ???? no lo habia visto si esta manden link a la noticia de la falsedad pura.

YouTube - Jason Malachi - singer on "Breaking News", "Monster", and "Keep your Head Up" fake MJ songs

si es el mismo que creo, jamas pense que ya habia revelado. :)

o esta afirmacion:

YouTube - Jason Malachi es Michael Jackson. Toda la evidencia está AQUÍ
 
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"I know these songs. I heard them in a pre-Michael version in 2006. They were recorded with his vocals in 2007. Recently, producers have polished them up. They are said to be “amazing”".


Pues menos mal que los productores las habían "perfeccionado"... manda huevos lo que hay que leer...
 
Anneke dijo:
Harrydh...gracias por tus aportes...Te dejo algo por lo que tú preguntabas...


*Behind the mask (éste era un tema original de la Yellow Magic Orchestra de Ryuichi Sakamoto al que Michael Jackson puso letra en su día)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcsodLz5fg&feature=related

more images

Ryuichi Sakamoto - Behind The Mask

Label:
Midi Inc.
Catalog#:
MDCZ-1130
Format:
CD, Mini-Album

Country:
Japan
Released:
1987
Genre:
Electronic
Style:
Electro, Synth-pop



Tracklist

1 Behind The Mask 5:29 Lyrics By - Michael Jackson
Music By - Ryuichi Sakamoto 2 Risky 6:22 Lyrics By - Iggy Pop
Music By - Bill Laswell , Iggy Pop , Ryuichi Sakamoto 3 Field Work 5:07 Lyrics By - Ryuichi Sakamoto , Thomas Dolby
Music By - Ryuichi Sakamoto , Thomas Dolby


* Se dice (S$ny)que un tal James Porte cantó parte de la canción 'Breaking News"...¿¿¿-???
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JAMES PORTE JAMAS HIZO COROS PARA MICHAEL, EL QUE CANTA ES MALACHI. ACA LA PRUEBA:
CHICOS VYERO VILLAROEL ES UN CANTANTE PROFESIONAL QUE AL PRINCIPIO PENSABA QUE MJ ERA LA VOZ QUE CANTABA AHORA NOS ESTA APOYANDO ESTO ES LO QUE INVESTIGO:


Vyero Villarroel
Amigos ... Apoyando un poco la investigación desde el punto de vista musical y discográfico... hice mi investigación en la base de datos de www.allmusic.com ...donde normalmente se establecen los créditos correctos de todos los discos. Estos suelen ser los créditos oficiales e irrevocables...

Estos son los créditos del disco según allmusic:

Michael - Michael Jackson | AllMusic
Ya vieron los créditos de Michael Jackson?? al parecer no sólo cantó sino que inspiró... primera vez que veo unos créditos así.
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En la parte de atrás del CD dice:

"This album contains 9 previously unreleased vocal tracks performed by Michael Jackson. These tracks were completed using music from the original vocal tracks and music created by the credited producers."
www.allmusic.com
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    • estos son los cantantes o con créditos de voces EN EL CD:

      MISCHKE

      Al parecer hace arreglos, coros y dirección vocal en los más importantes discos de Hip-Hop y R&B del mercado norteamericano...
      ...Mischke | AllMusic
      Para que lo escuchemos, hace los coros en estas canciones:
      Mischke | AllMusic
      Could U Be | AllMusic

      MICHAEL DURHAM PRINCE

      Aparece como ingeniero de grabación de voces... no como cantante, aunque en el disco aparece como "vocals recorded by..." o "voces grabadas por.." si él no es quien canta, entonces no hay créditos vocales de voz principal en las canciones donde aparece.

      JAMES PORTE

      Nunca fue cantante, aparece en todos sus créditos como ingeniero, compositor y arreglista... y de repente aparece haciendo coros... PARA MICHAEL JACKSON?... se la tenía muy escondida, no?
      James Porte | AllMusic

      DUAWNE STARLING (o Duane Starling)

      Cantante de Gospel... tiene créditos recientes.
      Duwane Starling | AllMusic
      Duane Starling | AllMusic

      SHANICE WILSON

      Cantante de R&B que ha tenido créditos como corista para más de un disco de MJ, además de Tony Braxton, Babyface y muchos otros
      Shanice Wilson | AllMusic

      ALPHONSO JONES

      con ese nombre sólo aparece en el disco "Michael"... pero ALFONZO Jones era un cantante, conocido por los fans de MJ, que cantaba muy parecido a Michael y que en su disco debut ALFONZO del año 1983 tiene además la portada muy similar a Thriller
      Alfonzo | AllMusic
      Alfonzo 1982 --> voz muy parecida a Michael!!!

      Además según allmusic aparecen: Michael LeFevre, Stacy Michaels, Lisa Orkin y Sandy Orkin con el crédito de "Voices"... ??

      Espero que les sirva de algo... saludos!!!

      Vyero
 
This will be my only posting in this thread here:




Roger Friedman is as "evil" as Ian Halperin. They're using Michael's name for the sake of publicity. Why should Roger have heard any of the Cascio tracks in a so-called pre-Michael version? He knew some of titles, but that's pretty much all he could sell as "exclusive news". He's got a "spy" sitting somewhere (e.g. at the US copyright office, who knows?*) and that source named him some of the titles in the "MJ songbook" that was registered in June 2009 by Eddie Cascio.

*I personally think his source is working at the MJ Estate. Before Michael died, he's already had someone that was in the "inner surroundings" of business people associated with Michael.


Roger's claim also heavily contradicts the fact that the Cascios have never talked about their relationship with Michael.
And all of a sudden Roger claims he was listening to the songs. LOL! In his dreams...

No-one cares about Roger. He has never been stopped from spreading untrue things about Michael in the past when he liked doing so. Sometimes he's written positively about him (when projects like T25 were lying ahead), but he was always dissing Michael in the meantime.




Let me show you how he's contradicting himself in his original "news report" and how he's making things up as he has no clue about how many MJ songs exist (collectors alone have dozens).


Roger Friedman (tabloid journalist) dijo:
A few months ago I was the first to report that Michael, unbeknownst to anyone, had recorded a bunch of songs in the summer of 2007. This is what happened: He’d turned up on the doorstep, literally, of his long time friends Dominic and Connie Cascio, in Franklin Lakes, New Jersey. With him were his three kids, a tutor, and some pets. They’d escaped from an estate in northern Virginia, where Michael had sought refuge after a short stint in Las Vegas. He had no place else to go.

He wound up staying with the Cascios from August until November. And during that time, with nothing else to do, he listened to the couple’s son, Eddie, record with a singer named Bobby Ewing. Eddie’s brother, Frank, had helped write and produce the Ewing tracks. They asked: Why not erase the vocals and have Michael sing over them? Michael agreed. When it was done, Eddie Cascio put away the tapes. No one ever discussed it again.

Meantime, I reported that there were fewer known unreleased Michael Jackson tracks than anyone realized [EDITOR's NOTE: This is NOT referring to the Cascio songs but to ALL of MJ's songs in his entire career!]. Many conversations with Michael’s long time engineer Bruce Swedien resulted in this fact: this would be no Jimi Hendrix situation. So when the Cascio tracks were revealed, everyone should have been jumping for joy.

But not so happy are Michael’s nephews, the three sons of Tito Jackson. The Jacksons have always been wary of the Cascios: after all, Michael liked the relatively normal Italian-American family from New Jersey more than his own blood relatives. Tito’s kids — known as 3T — had recorded with Uncle Michael early in their career, but not in recent years. When the news broke, the 3Ts weren’t happy. Why hadn’t Uncle Michael left them a legacy like this?

In the last few weeks Sony has had to call in forensic audiologists to prove that the voice on the Cascio tracks is that of Michael Jackson. (The conclusion: it is.) The 3Ts, I am told, along with co-executor John McClain, have claimed it’s a Jacko impersonator. It’s not about money. It’s about ego, and pride. Sony wants to include five of the Cascio songs right away on the new album. They made an agreement this year with the Michael Jackson estate that could be worth $200 million. In the end, Sony will get what it wants. The estate will make millions. And Michael’s nephews, and the rest of his biological family, will have to accept reality.
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The dark orange-coded parts show the self-aggrandizement by Roger Friedman. He thinks he's the ultimate "insider" and is glorifying himself. You can see this with formulas like "has nothing else to do" etc. He was almost literally stalking and observing Michael.
Yet it took him 3 years to speak about the Cascio family. LOL!


Whereas the red-coded parts are showing how he's contradicting himself without noticing it.

First it's 3 months in the summer, then it's August - November (and you wouldn't refer to this as "summer" as 2/3 of it are taking place in FALL!)


The only good part of this so-called "news report" is this green-coded sentence:
It’s not about money. It’s about ego, and pride.
 
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Kapital dijo:
La página de Roger Friedman ha cambiado, ahora es algo más complicado encontrar todos aquellos artículos tan reveladores.

Afortunadamente, me he hecho con una copia de cada uno de sus artículos por si un día le da por borrarlos todos. Si alguien los quiere, que me los pida por privado.

Hay cosas tan interesantes como estas:


:feo:
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me gustaria informarme de todo lo que ha dicho firedman si me pudieses pasar todos esos articulos te lo agradeceria kapital :)
 
Korgnex dijo:
This will be my only posting in this thread here:




Roger Friedman is as "evil" as Ian Halperin. They're using Michael's name for the sake of publicity. Why should Roger have heard any of the Cascio tracks in a so-called pre-Michael version? He knew some of titles, but that's pretty much all he could sell as "exclusive news". He's got a "spy" sitting somewhere (e.g. at the US copyright office, who knows?*) and that source named him some of the titles in the "MJ songbook" that was registered in June 2009 by Eddie Cascio.

*I personally think his source is working at the MJ Estate. Before Michael died, he's already had someone that was in the "inner surroundings" of business people associated with Michael.


Roger's claim also heavily contradicts the fact that the Cascios have never talked about their relationship with Michael.
And all of a sudden Roger claims he was listening to the songs. LOL! In his dreams...

No-one cares about Roger. He has never been stopped from spreading untrue things about Michael in the past when he liked doing so. Sometimes he's written positively about him (when projects like T25 were lying ahead), but he was always dissing Michael in the meantime.




Let me show you how he's contradicting himself in his original "news report" and how he's making things up as he has no clue about how many MJ songs exist (collectors alone have dozens).






The dark orange-coded parts show the self-aggrandizement by Roger Friedman. He thinks he's the ultimate "insider" and is glorifying himself. You can see this with formulas like "has nothing else to do" etc. He was almost literally stalking and observing Michael.
Yet it took him 3 years to speak about the Cascio family. LOL!


Whereas the red-coded parts are showing how he's contradicting himself without noticing it.

First it's 3 months in the summer, then it's August - November (and you wouldn't refer to this as "summer" as 2/3 of it are taking place in FALL!)


The only good part of this so-called "news report" is this green-coded sentence:
It’s not about money. It’s about ego, and pride.
Haz clic para expandir...

I don't think he was contradicting himself by saying Michael had recorded "a bunch" of songs with the Cascio brothers, and then saying there are actually a lot fewer tracks that what anyone may think.
I mean, 14 songs (is that the exact number of songs Michael supposedly recorded at the Cascio's?) ARE a bunch of songs if you stop and think that Michael (supposedly) recorded them in a short time period and all of them with the same producers and the same people, specially when we all know Michael used to work with a lot of people at the same time whenever he worked on new music.
He says the number of unreleased music was a lot less than what everybody thought, is because right after Michael passed away, EVERBODY (on newspapers, on TV, on the radio) was saying that Michael used to record about 100 songs for each album, which apparantly now we see it's not true since they rather hire impersonators or background singers (as some people like to call it) instead of using all those songs which would be more than 500, if that was true, of course. Why hire an impersonator/background singer when there's suppoed to be more than 500 unreleased songs that Michael left out of each album. Cuz, apparently Michael recorded more than 100 songs for each. LOL.
Yeah right...... Michael Jackson... MR.PERFECTIONIST himself, who usually took 3 years (some times more) to get ONE SINGLE song ready 100% supposedly recorded 100 songs for each album. HA-HA.

You see? Roger wasn't contradicting himself. 14 songs are still a bunch for such a short time period and with just a few people working with MJ. But there wasn't more than 100 unreleased songs per album, like everybody was saying.
 
Korgnex dijo:
This will be my only posting in this thread here:




Roger Friedman is as "evil" as Ian Halperin. They're using Michael's name for the sake of publicity. Why should Roger have heard any of the Cascio tracks in a so-called pre-Michael version? He knew some of titles, but that's pretty much all he could sell as "exclusive news". He's got a "spy" sitting somewhere (e.g. at the US copyright office, who knows?*) and that source named him some of the titles in the "MJ songbook" that was registered in June 2009 by Eddie Cascio.

*I personally think his source is working at the MJ Estate. Before Michael died, he's already had someone that was in the "inner surroundings" of business people associated with Michael.


Roger's claim also heavily contradicts the fact that the Cascios have never talked about their relationship with Michael.
And all of a sudden Roger claims he was listening to the songs. LOL! In his dreams...

No-one cares about Roger. He has never been stopped from spreading untrue things about Michael in the past when he liked doing so. Sometimes he's written positively about him (when projects like T25 were lying ahead), but he was always dissing Michael in the meantime.




Let me show you how he's contradicting himself in his original "news report" and how he's making things up as he has no clue about how many MJ songs exist (collectors alone have dozens).






The dark orange-coded parts show the self-aggrandizement by Roger Friedman. He thinks he's the ultimate "insider" and is glorifying himself. You can see this with formulas like "has nothing else to do" etc. He was almost literally stalking and observing Michael.
Yet it took him 3 years to speak about the Cascio family. LOL!


Whereas the red-coded parts are showing how he's contradicting himself without noticing it.

First it's 3 months in the summer, then it's August - November (and you wouldn't refer to this as "summer" as 2/3 of it are taking place in FALL!)


The only good part of this so-called "news report" is this green-coded sentence:
It’s not about money. It’s about ego, and pride.
Haz clic para expandir...

Very interesting opinion of yours and interesting information you are supplying: indeed !!!

P.S.: Thank you this single posting of yours in this thread. I agree with you (see below).

Quote: "It’s about ego, and pride."

-
 
F D B dijo:
I don't think he was contradicting himself by saying Michael had recorded "a bunch" of songs with the Cascio brothers, and then saying there are actually a lot fewer tracks that what anyone may think.
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Hm?? You have completely misunderstood what Roger was talking about. Please read carefully again.

"a lot fewer tracks that what anyone may think" does NOT refer to the Cascio songs.
Roger Friedman was claiming that there's only a very few unreleased songs from Michael's entire career (that's why he's talking about Bruce Swedien as well who has also NOTHING to do with any Cascio song).

But this claim is not true. Collectors alone have DOZENS of unreleased tracks and there's even more.


Everything you've just written made you think MJ didn't record many songs for an album as you didn't realize your mistake. You can even ask Kapital77. MJ really did record DOZENS of songs for his albums. He recorded about 30 songs with Rodney Jerkins alone. About the half has been finished.
 
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Korgnex dijo:
Hm?? You have completely misunderstood what Roger was talking about. Please read carefully again.

"a lot fewer tracks that what anyone may think" does NOT refer to the Cascio songs.
Roger Friedman was claiming that there's only a very few unreleased songs from Michael's entire career (that's why he's talking about Bruce Swedien as well who has also NOTHING to do with any Cascio song).

But this claim is not true. Collectors alone have DOZENS of unreleased tracks and there's even more.


Everything you've just written made you think MJ didn't record many songs for an album as you didn't realize your mistake. You can even ask Kapital77. MJ really did record DOZENS of songs for his albums. He recorded about 30 songs with Rodney Jerkins alone. About the half has been finished.
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As far as I'm concerned, I haven't misunderstood Roger's point.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough on my reply to you, or maybe you're misinterpreting me.
In any case, I'd suggest you read what I wrote carefully one more time.

I didn't say he was referring to the Cascio songs when he said "a lot fewer track that what anyone may think". What I said is that he was referring to the whole MJ collection of unreleased track. Right after he died, a lot of speculations started to raise as to how much unheard music Michael really left, and everybody was saying that he left hundred of tracks because he used to record 100+ tracks FOR EACH album. But now, we're realizing that there aren't as many tracks left as we thought. The new album "Michael" showed us THAT.
Maybe a few tracks from Rodney, the tracks with Will I AM, and some older stuff.

Still, when Roger said Michael worked on "a bunch of tracks" with the Cascio's, he's not lying. He, allegedly, did 14 (right?) tracks with them. That IS actually "a bunch" of tracks considering Michael never recorded so much in such a short time and with just a handful of people (2, 3... maybe 5 people?). He used to work with 3 or 4 different producers all at the same time, plus the engineers, musicians called in for some special work, etc.
So he DID record a bunch of tracks with the Cascio. 14 tracks is a bunch of tunes. But... how many finished unreleased songs do you think there are left for us to hear on his entire collection? 40, maybe 50? Even with the Will I Am tracks. That's not even half of what everybody used to say and think when he died and all the way up till the new albume "Michael" was almost done.
We went from thinking we would be listening to BRAND NEW, NEVER HEARD BEFORE, UNRELEASED music from The King Of Pop for decades, to realizing we'll have to settle for about 3 more albums of raw unfinished tracks, and maybe even with impersonators on them.
 
Korgnex dijo:
Collectors alone have DOZENS of unreleased tracks and there's even more.
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Oh, I forgot to reply about this.

Does the name Rob Hoffman ring any bell to you?.
In case it doesn't, let me tell you, he worked with Michael and Bruce on the albums Dangerous and History (and Blood On The Dancefloor as well, if I remember correctly, but don't quote me on that). And he said (straight to me and other members of a forum... which means this doesn't come from any magazine, nor from a newspaper or TV) that there isn't actually a lot of music left out from those sessions. Maybe a few tracks from Dangerous and not much more.

So "Collectors" may have Men In Black, for example. And, a few more, like you said, a "dozen" tracks? 12 tracks?. Let's suppose that there are 40 fully finished unreleased tracks in the vault. That'd make 52 tracks. Is that A LOT? Is that enough? Is that what magazines, newspapers, and insiders claimed after Michael passed?. I Don't think so.
 
^ There are other reasons why we're not getting these hundreds of tracks now.

Business doesn't work that way. That's why "Michael" has only 10 tracks.


I tell you, man, we'll get DOZENS of unreleased songs IN THE NEXT DECADES.


You seem to ignore what I've just said. Michael has recorded ABOUT 30 (THIRTY!!!) songs with Rodney Jerkins alone. And half of them are FINISHED. And that's ONLY ONE person MJ has worked with. Now think about it again...
 
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Korgnex dijo:
^ There are other reasons why we're not getting these hundreds of tracks now.

Business doesn't work that way. That's why "Michael" has only 10 tracks.


I tell you, man, we'll get DOZENS of unreleased songs IN THE NEXT DECADES.


You seem to ignore what I've just said. Michael has recorded ABOUT 30 (THIRTY!!!) songs with Rodney Jerkins alone. And half of them are FINISHED. And that's ONLY ONE person MJ has worked with. Now think about it again...
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You're misinterpreting me AGAIN. I never said that everything is shady JUST because they didn't put a 30 brand new tracks out there on the first official posthumous album.
If there are actually 100+ unreleased tracks... I'll be happy to get only 10 tracks on every new album. I don't want them all right away.
But that's not what I was talking about.

Please stop saying "dozens", lol. Everytime you say that, I instantly think about "12", hahaha.

And, how do you know about the 30 FINISHED tracks with Rodney for sure?. I mean, how can you be SO sure about THAT?.
And also... asuming that's true, why weren't ANY (not ONE) of those tracks included in this new album?. I mean, wasn't it easier to include at least one of those tracks replacing one of these suspicious (to say the least) Cascio tracks? That'd have helped A LOT to avoid all these controversy. 3 Rodney tracks instead of the 3 Cascio tracks, and that was it. They'd still have 27 tracks (based on what you've just said) for future releases, woulnd't they?.

I'm sorry if you don't have an answer to these questions. I need to ask you all about it, cuz you seem to have such good information...
 
F D B dijo:
And, how do you know about the 30 FINISHED tracks with Rodney for sure?. I mean, how can you be SO sure about THAT?
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Because I'm collecting songs and I'm aware of certain things that the general public can't be aware of.


F D B dijo:
And also... asuming that's true, why weren't ANY (not ONE) of those tracks included in this new album?. I mean, wasn't it easier to include at least one of those tracks [...]
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Think twice. Rodney Jerkins wants more money than a nobody like Eddie Cascio.


Some of the Jerkins tracks will be released at a later time. Not too far away, btw.



Anyway, I actually wanted to make just one posting on this thread. This is Kapital's thread.
 
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